I'm not spouting transphobic lies and bigotry. I'm only mentioning 'AGP' in terms of if being a phenomena, part of the puzzle, a physical reaction of my body to certain, mostly purely mental stimuli, which it is, which is not 'transphobic', it's just a fact, and it obviously applies to lots of other people, else sites like Fictionmania wouldn't exist with tens of thousands of examples of such stimuli. It's existence doesn't need 'debunking' by anyone, it's why I'm even here. What needs 'debunking' is the idea that such a condition is purely a consequence of trauma or conditioning, is a choice, or is something that could have been avoided with better parenting or something, and not a product of our underlying biology/neurology.
Honestly, it's sometimes like the earlier transitioning trans women don't want to be associated with the later transitioning, often STEM working, less 'gracile' people, who perhaps have previously been diagnosed with ASD by their parents, because 'those people are just really confused trans-wannabes with autism who haven't really suffered like we have', which is probably just as 'phobic' of something or other. We maybe suffered in different ways, because we only had half a clue what was going on with us through our teens and even twenties, and so weren't in a position to advocate for our 'needs', or anyone elses, and so ended up being exploited by others who took advantage of our obvious social confusion in various ways, mostly because people like us don't even realise how far above the norm we often are, and having been subjected to all kinds of torments growing up, then don't like sticking our neck out as adults. We perhaps think like men in terms of linear/analytical thinking, but don't think like men in terms of personality.
Generally you can’t really interview for it. You just have to put them in front of a computer and tell them to do something that should be too hard for them. Not surprisingly we’ve “automated” that process a bit at our company so we find that about 2/3rds of the people we recruit into our “startup garage” turn our to become employable engineers with a little time and experience. It’s hardly scientifically qualified because people are all individuals. I’ve seen great geniuses with brilliant minds and perfectly normal social skills ruin their careers with drugs and I’ve seen some of the most socially dysfunctional people you could imagine turn into engineering wunderkinds seemingly out of nothing. No training, no school, no support, we just put a machine in front of them and told them to solve an impossible problem and… they do it!I remember one many years ago that we poached out of Nabisco where he was employed to automate their french-fry making machine. As Asperger’s stereotypes go, you couldn’t possibly get a better real-life match. This guy was totally incapable of eye-contact, he practically ran from any kind of social dialog that involved conflict or a casual disagreement of opinion, he was a total disaster at interviewing.
Q: Can you code?
A: Not really
Q: What do you do for Nabisco
A: I fix the french-fry machine when it breaks
Q: What do you mean “Fix” it?
A: The software crashes
Q: So you reboot it?
A: No I disassembled the code and patched the instructions in assembly to bypass the faults that were causing the machine to stall.
Q: Who taught you how to do that?
A: It’s not hard, I just looked up the processor architecture and wrote out the binary patch in a hex editor and copied it into the ROM.
Years later the guy is happily married, has kids, still works at his dream job on World of Warcraft making a fraction of what he’s worth but he would never dream of subjecting himself to the social stress of asking for a raise or interviewing around. I often coached him on how to negotiate for better pay but he just says “I don’t need any more”. I saw him change jobs a couple times after he got married which is how it usually goes for these guys. They don’t care about their pay but their wives like to see them advance professionally and “encourage” them to job shop occasionally. They code all day at work and when they go home, they code something else for fun.
I'm saying I do support the Michelle Hendleys, and the Chelsea Mannings, the Phillipa Cowderoys (who on the one hand self-taught herself from VB1 through C++ to Haskell and beyond.., including writing something later used by https://galois.com/,
which is kind of one of those really high-tech defence consultancy companies, while still considering herself 'disabled', because of a lack of self-organisation), and even the poor Chris-chans, who stayed at home creating fan-fiction comics about Pokemon, all saying they are women if they want to do so, which is hardly being transphobic.
ASD is obviously a 'disorder of sexual differentiation', of both the body, and of the brain, with lots of different potential outcomes for the individuals so affected, including often working in STEM, and being transgender, in both a MTF and FTM directions, at a much higher proportion than with the non-ASD population, there is your proven connection, read the links from the earlier parts of the thread to see other aspects of it, other blind men looking at different parts of the elephant.
The structure of the developing face also corresponds to the structure of the developing brain:https://molecularautism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2040-2392-2-15http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/2/116.long
But that's just a study from 2012, when for the people involved, well we've known about this for much longer.
Like people have been discussing it, and sharing their life stories with each other, over here since 2001.https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TransgenderPDD/info
, which is about as long as Yahoo Groups has existed,
and before that they were all using USENET groups instead.
So still saying 'No proven link' = bullshit, whatever Zucker does or doesn't think, I don't care, and I don't know if that's driven by ASD-phobia or Trans-phobia,
or just a wilful failure to see what is right in front of you. Just what would constitute proof to you then?
I'm not saying cis-women or more 'gracile' trans-women aren't smart for having smaller heads either, it's sort of a different kind of smart, white matter vs grey matter and so forth. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050121100142.htm
They don't need the raw brain volume because they make it up with a greater density of interconnections, but that also means they don't think in exactly the same ways either.
The people who are actually born half and half and with bits of both kinds of neural structures, often end up 'broken' in some way socially, and sometimes end up being way smarter than those of either gender extreme, and do cool shit like build computers, or write both great and not so great software, just for the fun of it, though they are also often also socially isolated and depressed, and they don't know if they are male or female, or start out in life thinking they are one thing and then very gradually figure out they aren't, as they eventually figure out that they feel they are slightly different bits of both, which is actually what they are, and that situation has been called 'late onset', by other people, and I guess if we can make it through to our 30s or later without either having sex or killing ourselves, or even declaring our intentions to those around us, it's pretty late by most other people's standards.
So, I won't get to be small and pretty like Blaire White, coz I left it too late and grew to 6 foot+, but I do have pretty tiny hands like that,
coz that's a bit of me, like part of my brain, that didn't get enough of the masculinising hormones before birth.