Mar 30 17 5:48 AM

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This has been a dark year for transgender people so far, but it looks like the tide is turning.  I know that I desperately need some good news right now, but I do not think this is wishful thinking.

The Daily Beast has a very interesting article on how the transphobic bathroom law proposals in the US are being rejectedAll of them, including the ones in Texas and North Carolina. 

The Daily Beast argues that there are two reasons for this backlash to the transgender backlash:

First: The company boycott of states that implement such laws has become extremely painful and costly.

Secondly: The transgender movement has managed to give trans people a human face. People who started out supporting the law suddenly realize that there is a 7 year old kid out there who now has a target on his or her back.

That makes sense to me. It is so much harder to dehumanize people when you realize that they are people, just like yourself.
“I think the [2016] bill was vetoed because we put a face to the issue,” said Adam Dale Jorgensen, volunteer coordinator for the South Dakota LGBT nonprofit Center for Equality, which helped arrange the February 2016 meeting between [Governor] Daugaard and transgender students.

In Jorgensen’s estimation, it was the human angle that sealed the deal in his state: “I think the economic side really started it—and I think the conservative side of South Dakota, which is most of it, was really driven by that—and then the final, personal aspect really drove the nail through and they were like ‘Holy cow, these are real people.’”

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Mar 30 17 5:54 AM

Hi Jack, don't celebrate too quickly. I also read this morning in the NYT about North Carolina's "repeal." The way I read it, it's a compromise that's weighted heavily toward those who want to discriminate. I'm surprised that the new Democratic governor would accept it since the bathroom issue was what narrowly got him elected.


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Mar 31 17 12:06 AM

You are definitely right in that the North Carolina process is far from perfect and that the compromise is a bad one, but it does stop the law from banning trans people from using the bathroom of their true gender. To me that is a step in the right direction. When you add to that that all the other red state attempts have been defeated, I must say that the situation is not as bleak as it looked like only a moth ago.

It seems to me that the transphobes have not been able to get the majority of people on board in their witch hunt against trans people. It is as if the recent shift towards LGBTQA-positive attitudes has survived the onslaught.

Still, this war is far from over. The tactic of using trans people as scapegoats in an attemtp to reestablish traditional gender roles is just far to tempting for these bigots.

Here's what HRC says about North Carolina:

The NAACP, HRC, Equality North Carolina, the National Center for Transgender Equality (NCTE) and other equality groups are intensifying their call for North Carolina lawmakers to reject an unconstitutional backroom “deal” on HB2 that would no doubt subject the state to years of costly litigation in a shameful effort to continue to enshrine anti-LGBTQ discrimination into state law.The so-called “deal’ that North Carolina lawmakers are attempting to ram through today would effectively ban LGBTQ non-discrimination protections statewide through 2020 and permanently bar cities from passing laws that ensure transgender people can access facilities in accordance with their identity. Tellingly, last night former North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, who signed the discriminatory HB2 into law and lost his seat because of it last fall, endorsed the proposal, as has the designated anti-LGBTQ hate group Family Research Council.

Essentially, the new law would prohibit cities from taking action to protect the rights of transgender people to use the appropriate bathroom. 

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Mar 31 17 12:35 AM

20 percent of millennials openly identify as LGBTQ

The changing attitudes towards LGBTQA among younger Americans and Europeans are clear.

This is from a recent article by SFGate on the American millenials:  

GLAAD's third annual "Accelerating Acceptance" report revealed that 20 percent of millennials (ages 18-34) openly identify as LGBTQ. Comparatively, 7 percent of baby boomers (ages 52-71) identify themselves as such.

 "As acceptance has grown in this country, so too has the number of young people who describe themselves as LGBTQ," says the report, suggesting that accepting environments enable people to "more openly and safely talk about who they are and who they love."

 As acceptance grows, the gender binary appears to break down. Twelve percent of millennials identify as non-cisgender. Only 3 percent of baby boomers and 6 percent of the Generation X set (ages 35-51) identified themselves as such.

 Young people are more likely than ever to be allies of LGBTQ. Only 14 percent of millennials identified as "resisters" – non-LGBTQ survey respondents who were "very" or "somewhat" uncomfortable when asked LGBTQ-related questions. 

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Mar 31 17 6:38 AM

Jack, those are remarkable statistics, especially in the context of the recent Williams Institute report that 0.6% of American adults identify as transgender. And that was doubled from their previous 0.3%!

I am pleased to see 20% of millennials identify as LGBTQ of course. I'd very much like to see numbers for L, G, B, T, and Q, separated. I think transgender has been included in the LGB group because through this we represent a greater number of people. Perhaps it's time for us to split apart into sexuality (LGB) and gender (TQ) collectives.

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Mar 31 17 8:50 AM

Jack, although we needed to stay vigilant, I never thought the bathroom issue was going to become a serious threat. Even last year, it was apparent that there was a lot of resistance within the GOP to draconian bathroom laws. More than a dozen states considered such laws, but only one state managed to pass such legislation. I think this was partially because the bullshit factor was pretty high on the side promoting them. The idea that heterosexual male predators would use these laws as cover for sexual assaults seemed utterly ridiculous even to the more impartial in this battle. But I believe the real issue in their defeat was that these laws pitted two powerful factions of the GOP against each other - social conservatives against local small businesses. The second of these quickly realized that were going to pay a very heavy cost in the implementation of these laws, and started lobbying against them. This was very evident in particular with the recent events in Texas.

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Mar 31 17 10:28 AM

Jack, As I recently mentioned in another thread, I am becoming more and more concerned about another highly transphobic group that I think has greater potential for generating public sympathy. I originally called them “angry parents in denial” but upon further reflection, I believe that “scared” might be a better word than angry. A lot of these parents follow Blanchard’s twitter account, and he often references their tweets. They will say that their primary concern is the rush of healthcare professionals to declare all gender non conforming children as transgendered, and in doing so, pushing them towards a transgender treatment path.

But it’s apparent that their attack of the trans community goes way beyond that. They see the trans as harboring unsavory ideas that can contaminate the innocent, particular the young, but some of them extend that idea to impressionable adults as well. They therefore are absolutely terrified of the many trans positive stories being published in the media these days. It’s clear that many of them prefer to drive the trans back into the closet. They oppose trans healthcare and trans social justice. And they seek at every opportunity to de-legitimatize trans identities. To accomplish that, they are willing to embrace arguments from both the social right and the TERF left. I believe that they will end up at the head of the latest unholy transphobic alliance.

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Mar 31 17 2:11 PM

Like the people over here: https://4thwavenow.com/
I can understand a lot of where they are coming from, but I don't think I agree on balance.

Yes, gender norms are unnecessarily restrictive, and there should be less pressure put on both sexes, but though that pressure is egged on by the media, it isn't driven by it, it's driven by an innate part of our subconscious social psychology.
Yes, if we're just proto-trans as kids and we stick as how we are we may just grow up to be homosexual not transsexual (like that's so much better for us?).
But by sticking as we are we are often effectively condemning ourselves to a lifetime of social isolation/dysfunction and/or repression, which really isn't any better for us or anyone else.

It's like they've given up on the idea that with the right kind of intervention they can make someone not-queer, so now they are effectively saying "I acknowledge my child may be gender-nonconforming, and that's OK, society itself should just adapt to them, but I draw the line at letting them mutilate their precious body", and this new business of allowing people to be trans* instead of homosexual is all about whitewashing an already much maligned but valuable subculture.
(Though they obviously weren't considered valuable back in the 80s and 90s when so many of them were busy dying of AIDs.)
Again, it's all about how the parents feel, how it affects their social standing, their looking like responsible parents, and not about how the kids themselves are actually affected.

(Ha ha, Mum and Dad, I have absolutely no intention of going out and getting AIDs, I don't even like men that much, nor do I care that much for taking drugs, well maybe just nootropics thanks.
I'll just stay home and play computer games till I'm 30, and you'll just be left to wonder why I never seem to grow up.. )

But I didn't really sign up to belong to either a valuable or a maligned subculture, thank you very much, I just was born 'different', and I just wanted to grow up to be a teenage girl when I actually was a teenager, and not live an isolated life of being a perpetual misfit. (We have some friends who are an older gay married couple, and they were recently attacked while sitting in their local pub, just for being obviously gay, so it's not like it's that much better even when you are in your 50s. ..)
It seems like missing the boat on appropriate hormones at the right time is actually the cause of a lot of the psychological problems that the queer community is well-known to exhibit in later life, (depression, drug-addiction, suicide), and given medical advances if you can actually give us what we want/need, well shouldn't you?
Should it be up to the parents to dictate the lifestyle that their children is expected to follow, maybe we just want them to be proud of us as we feel like we are, and not be confined to some ghetto.

No I'm not sure people should be having surgeries before they are 18, they do need time to properly think it over, but they shouldn't be forced to wait until it is too late to avoid the kind of puberty they know they don't want, so for me HRT is actually a very different concern than actual genital operations, which I agree are drastic and have potentially major life-long complications, and shouldn't be pushed on immature kids that lightly. (But again, surgery is a very big step from 'identity', and these bathroom bills are all about comparing what you go out looking like to what's on your birth certificate, rather than what's below the belt)

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Apr 1 17 4:01 PM

April wrote, "transphobic group that I think has greater potential for generating public sympathy. I originally called them “angry parents in denial” but upon further reflection, I believe that “scared” might be a better word than angry. "

I posted a link to an article last month about this very thing http://crossdreamlife.lefora.com/reply/6916/Talking-to-Mom-I-chickened-out#reply-6916
The article by Mary Rice Hasson, is an attorney and a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington DC, which is scary because she advises lawmakers on policy.

The last section of the article is sub-titled, "We’ll Experiment on Kids if We Want" sort of tells it all - she basically called transgender people a "cult" coming to trans-ify your kids. Well, specifically to encourage them to take hormone blockers and HRT.


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Apr 2 17 12:27 PM

So basically, we have this evolving moral panic that is somewhat re-mindful of the American red scares of the 1950s. We trans are this dark sinister conspiratorial force determined to corrupt the youth, and weaken American values. The transphobs are even trying to push back on the defining terms. Trans theory becomes trans ideology. Anybody opposed to transphobia has become a "trans activist".

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Apr 2 17 12:55 PM

Yep that pretty much sums it up April. But I think this is more akin to the parental freak-out that occurred in the 90's over Gay rights. There was an hysteria generated by homo-phobes toward Gay activists coming to Gay-ify their children.


.... and these ass-hats are not done yet http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda

The good news is that they have a fresh target that was previously hidden from them for a long time - yay us.

The rallying cry that gives fresh energy to this non-sense is - ahem - partly the fault of activists, "The homosexual agenda is the biggest threat to the right of free speech today." Blocking speakers like Zucker or Blanchard, or Milo Yiannopoulos is only going to add more gasoline to this bonfire. Dragging them into a equal forum for a debate where neither side can retreat into an echo chamber is really the only way to convince those who sit on the fence with these issues (which are the vast majority of people).

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Apr 6 17 8:33 AM

Target is headquartered in my home town of Minneapolis. In my day, it was called the "Dayton Hudson Corporation", and was well known even then for hiring gay and gender non conforming people; that was long before workforce diversity became trendy. I am glad to see that they haven't back down in the face of a boycott that has clearly hurt them, but this was a shot across the bow any other corporations considering a similar policy. I actually agree with the CEO that this should have been done without highlighting the policy. Let people see that this works before advertising it extensively.

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